News from Darjeeling, Kalimpong, Kurseong, DarjeelingHills by darjeelingTimes

I would say that the nepali gurkhas who think that they are the real natives of the Darjeeling Hills are not good enough hard workers because inspite of the fact that they are the 'OWNERS' of the Hills they could not make the most of their possession!! Let's look at the minority communities settled here in Darjeeling. Ofcourse, it includes the Tibetan refugees. These communities may have settled here for mostly about 50 - 60 years. Look at the progress they have made in these short span of time. They are what they are today because of their hardest labour. I don't mean that the Gurkhas did not work hard. They have! But, having spent ages by the nepalis (if I would believe some) in the Hills, they could not bring much improvement in their lifestyle. Well, it seems somewhere, something has awfully gone wrong as a result of which the Gurkhas could not make much headway. And, as fate would have it, my Gorkha brethren never tried to regain. So, it would be very much wise on the part of the commentators or (Tibetan bashers, I would say!) herein to find out the secret of success of these communities instead of shooting off their nasty mouth and flaunting their little knowledge about Buddhism and everything under the sun!! And, regarding the apprehension shown by AxomGurkha that the Gurkhas were dominated by the tibetan refugee community, I challenge him to prove it. Infact, it is the Tibetan community who is at the receiving end of the Gorkha wrath, whether they be guilty or not! And, AxiomGurkha you seem happy that the Tibetans are reminded of where they belong to. Let me emphatically say, my dear nitwit Axiomgurkha, if you are reminded of where YOU hail from then, I am sure you won't be happy with your existence!! And, lastly the name 'Darjeeling' has developed from the Tibetan word 'Dorjey-ling'. Please understand yourself, Axiomgurkha and the likes!! You guys seem good at reading between the lines!! And, please do not get into argument with me and reply to my comment with your 'superlatives' !!
(Posted by Roltee, April 5, 2008, 12:55 PM)

Thank u Himgir. Ke garne? Hamro jaati ma UNITY chaina. Tamang, Sherpas and Manange Gurungs try to identify themselves with Tibetans. In a way, it would be good if the Tibetans get Independence, that way the mysticism related to them will go away. Gorkhaland movement was good, at least they came to know where they belong to, otherwise a small community was trying to dominate us. They still do, thanks to the Indian govt according them ST status. I don't understand why the hell. Why can't the Govt. give ST status to all the refugees like Afghanis, Iraquis etc and let them rule over the Indians like the Tibetans are doing over us. They are plain REFUGEES and see what facilities they get. Kick them out and that will be a reality one day.
(Posted by AxomGurkha, March 24, 2008, 10:25 AM)

Dear Axom the Nepali guy who was Beaten is a Ukil (SOME NAME I cant tell U, U figure it out) works in Kutchery. He from mahakal 1Lac each per shop of the Bhotey guys who had beaten him. He is also known for his rowdism. You know what our People "thik chaina" firstly we cannot be one, un-united, Jealous and have a Dog eat Dog strategy.PLease UNITE amd become one. Thoi Bhotey ko Dokaan nagai hundaina. Mark my word. Kaas le Uska ko tini haroo lai? Hami Matwalli jaat le.
(Posted by HIMGIR, March 21, 2008, 8:10 PM)

Bahadur and Darjeeling ko Keta, I agree cent percent with both of u. They are ought and ought communal. In my time, some of them used to speak in Nepali among themselves, but now most of them knowing tibetan, they hardly speak nepali. They are misusing the hospitality accorded to them by us. Why were they not welcomed by Sikkim, bhutan and Arunachal with whom they have more similarities. Why the hell the GOI have accorded them ST status. BTW, darjeeling ko keta, during that mahakal fight, I'm sure the guy who was being beaten was a nepali, but we say we are brave gorkhas, tara sabai darcherua. No unity among ourselves. Kick these Tibetans out man.
(Posted by AxomGurkha, March 21, 2008, 1:37 PM)

Hey Upendra man, a layman might be impressed by the rhetorics of quotes and acts but please not before this forum. Tara tapai le hami lai underestimate garee halno vhahechha tyasarth tapai lai pani euta quote with reference. The Chinese once wrote on a memorial below the Potala in Lhasa "If a people abandon military pursuits ... they are unable to safeguard their independent position". This was after the Gorkhas had made repeated plundering trips of Tibet and Tibet unable to defend itself had asked for the assistance of the Chinese which the Chineses gave. (A Re-discovered history of Gorkhas - Chandra B Khanduri pg no. 45). As for they being part of us and the arguments in favour of them hold no more water than a tea spoon. A closer look of Tibetans reveal their cowardliness, their communalism. If you my learned and neutral friend go through the pages of the Tibetan flight you'll see, it was the majority of the nobility which made across the Indian lines. The cream of Tibetan society ran away, leaving their unfortunate countrymen behind. Now they stand here on Chinese soles and shout for their country's freedom. That's cowardice my friend cowardice. And as far as my myopic vision has seen, I have seldom seen a Tibetan woman wearing a saree or a kurta. Further more I have seen very rare instances of Tibetans marrying outside of their kin. Bollocks ... And one step more I seldom see them speaking among themselves in Nepali. My learned and neutral friend perhaps you've not heard how high they speak of us Gorkhas. My learned and neutral freind please don't insult us by comparing us with the Tibbos. Did we shout slogans against the King of Nepal because he was killing innocent people in Kathmandu? Why didn't these refugees with Indian citizenship have a candle rally against the atrocities inflicted on another fellow human being that too of the mongoloid stock? They should have known then 'Talai Khane Baag Le Malai Panee Khancha' Man leave these caring of the Tibbos to the civilsed west. Let them have mirages of the Last Shangrila. Let them try to protect an exotic race who after a while might be found in some sanctuary in Tibet with Han Chinese as game wardens.
(Posted by bahadur, March 20, 2008, 8:28 PM)

Well, well, well, what do we have here, someones done his home-work in Indian Constitution. Sorry, I was never good at Political Science but I do remember a part from Pol.Sc. Freedom of Movement. If you are a citizen of India you could travel far and wide within the territories of India, no matter wherever you reside and work. Well, so Bihari, Kaiyas, etc are Indians so they have equal rights as we have. When my fello Darjeelin-gay said, draining the wealth from hills, well, I call it a money circulation within the country, do I have to remind that beyond these hills in the Southern direction is India too. We boast about Hills. What do we really have here or left here now. Just be practical and look around, what do you see? Congestion, landslide, tea garden in catious, buildings one top of the another, often in Govt. lands or noman's land. Do we really have anything left to be proud of?? If you are a refugee you have the whole hillside for you to construct the school building and other facilities which Indians hardly could imagine, "JOBS". We are better of being Refugees then the citizens. Like my brother says Citizenship ACT of 1955. I really do not understand the Constitution but I do feel that these Constitution should be rewritten. I have seen poor families in Kolkotta living in Island traffic, can you imagine the poverty and the state of fellow citizen whereas refugees have better status. What is wrong with our Constitution, they are India citizens for Dalai Lama shake, can someone help us! At the same time local people in Delhi, Pune, etc do not comment by saying Hill people have come for our jobs in Call Centres. ARe we not draining their wealths then?? Ofcourse not its in reverse! What do we really have to contribute! Tea, cincona, Can anyone strike a deal with foreign investing companies for better tea gardens and business, do we have a capacity?? anything else for the contribution? I cannot think of anymore oh I know Tourism, scinearies of Ugly, hideous looking buildings all around. Can we really see our Mighty Mt. Kanchanjunga from a place where you could view 15 years ago? I really salute our Bengali Tourist, fello citizen who despite of our ill-treatment, little or no respect still come to visit our messed up Hill. Sometimes I wonder if they come to see our mess or our the nature, cause I don't think we have any left for anyone to see, definetly not in another 10 years time if we still carry on living like this. Our building emerges from side, top, bottom of the hills as if they grew overnight like mushrooms. Honestly, do we really care????? And to my fella Tibs if you think you are a citizen of India after all these years living in India or born in India, why do we care about the place(Tibet) where you will not be going back to live, what is the fuss about?? This is your home, my home and Indian's home. I could sit here and write all night long but would not change a thing, I know!
(Posted by Kalimpong, March 20, 2008, 5:38 PM)

I am a great fan of the Dalai Lama and have had the opportunity to have an audience with His Holiness as well, being blesses several times. He's up there, above mankind... a spiritual guru bogged down by daily politics and present day situations. Perhaps that's one of the reasons he said that there would be no further Dalai Lama incarnates in one of Larry King's interviews. The Dalai Lama has no further role to play in today's society... Getting back to Darjeeling. We all have Tibetan "Bhotey" friends, grew up together and eat and drink and play together. So why are they still different than us Pareys / Gorkheys? Do you believe when I say that Mahakal is a sort of Tib Ghetto? Not as in poverty but in matters of arms and weapons, its loaded people. These guys can be extremely communal as seen in one of the Losar fights in Purple Discotheque way back in 2003/4. One guy was beaten badly by all the Tibs who grouped together even though they had nothing to do with the person being beaten. Just because there was a Tib brother fighting they had to hit him, with bottles, fists, chairs whatever they could lay their hands on. That night I am sure no one slept in the Mahakal building. As we were going home that way that night we could see guys hanging around the Mahakal area with the iron gate locked.... So what does this prove? You tell me. And by the way, if you hate China so much why do sell Chinese goods? You go to the extent of black listing local Pareys from getting supplies from Pashupati... ask our local shop owners from Fancy market, they will tell you.... TinTin watch out bro, Tibet rising can mean so many things for all of us... Integrating into the local community is vital for u
(Posted by darjeeling ko keto, March 20, 2008, 4:58 PM)

Hey Upendra, ekdamai maja ayena with your views and points. Why so passionate about them (Tibetans) when all they do to us is "kick around". They are out and out communal. Very few Tibetans get along well with the Gorkhas in Darjeeling. In such cases, u will invariably find that either their mothers are gorkhas or wives would be gorkhas. Concentrate on Gorkhaland man. Concentrate on Gorkhaland. Tibet is never going to be independent and that's sad. Just to add on, I'm half tibetan hai - my mother is a tibetan.
(Posted by AxomGurkha, March 20, 2008, 3:21 PM)

THE LIE LAMA. B BRAVE, GO2 UR COUNTRY & FIGHT FROM THERE.
(Posted by HIMGIR, March 20, 2008, 2:16 PM)

Hey!! hold it .... Let me go on record on this one... I have no grudge against Biharis or for that matter any other people of Indian or any other origin living in Darjeeling... And I apologize if my writing came across as such... In fact my best friend is of Bihari origin... But as I said before.. I love people who love Darjeeling and consider Darjeeling their home... but I am against those who come and earn in Darjeeling but drain that wealth to other parts of India... be they Bihari.. Bengali, Marwaris or Nepalis... there is a difference here and the difference is subtle, so be careful Ram before you speak up.. People who love Darjeeling... care for Darjeeling.. but people who come in just to make money don't give a monkey's ass about Darjeeling and that pisses me off big time... Once again I apologize if my comment hurt someone's sentiments... it was just used to highlight the issue and not as a malice ... Now, coming back to your comments on technicality and constitutionality of Tibetans being lesser Indian citizen... Sorry to say but it kind'a leaves me a bit suspicious of your knowledge on the issue.. seems like you are not aware of the fact that under Indian Constitution.. (The Citizenship Act, 1955...), (I am quoting the phrases as written in the constitution) Section 3- "A person born in India on or after 26th January 1950 but before 1st July, 1987 is citizen of India by birth irrespective of the nationality of his parents...." Now you tell me.. how many Darjeelingey Tibetans are not born in India after 1950??.. Further.. "A person born in India on or after 1st July,1987 but before 3rd December, 2004 is considered citizen of India by birth if either of his parents is a citizen of India at the time of his birth..." tell me how many kids of Tibetan descent going to schools don't have parents that are Indian?? Further... in Section 6 - it states that... "Citizenship of India by naturalization can be acquired by a foreigner who is ordinarily resident in India for TWELVE YEARS (throughout the period of twelve months immediately preceding the date of application and for ELEVEN YEARS in the aggregate in the FOURTEEN YEARS preceding the twelve months) and other qualifications as specified in Third Schedule to the Act."... tell me how many Darjeelingeys of Tibetan origin have not been living in Darjeeling for over 14 years??? Now you tell me.. don't U think that the "rule of law" should apply to every one equally?? Every Indian citizen, be they natural or naturalized should be equally respected...?? So U tell me what made you think who deserves higher citizen rights and who does not??? Ram.. there are people outside Darjeeling who exactly feel and think like you... and call us Darjeelingey Nepalis.. OUTSIDERS... FOREIGNERS... and call our demand for Gorkhaland... UNCONSTITUTIONAL n ILLEGAL.... Now Ram whose comment I value so much.. and who may stop appreciating my writings any more... U tell me... Don't U feel that the story sounds familiar?? Ram U further tell me who would you rather support.. someone who is born in Darjeeling.. lives in Darjeeling.. gets married in Darjeeling and dies in Darjeeling or some one who is born somewhere else... earns in Darjeeling... spends some where else and dies some where else??? I have always supported "Ethnic Indians" that have settled in Darjeeling as they are Darjeelingeys... but I don't support those who take away our resources and drain us economically.... Ram who NOW thinks that I write unthoughtfully... U tell me... in terms of taking advantage of loopholes of Indian democracy... Have you not seen other people do the same Ghishing?? Laloo?? Mayawati, Some Bhutanese refugees who are now lecturers in various colleges in Darjeeling... Let me ask you this... have U heard this ukhan??? Tallai Khaney Baag Ley Malai Pani Khancha... So please don't try to set double standard of judging some one today.. for tomorrow the same standard may be used to judge U..
(Posted by Upendra, March 19, 2008, 12:56 PM)

The Dalai Lama was once asked why Tibetan Lamas eat meat in apparent contravention of Buddhist teachings (though eating meat was not forbidden by the Buddha). He had replied matter of factly that everyone used to do in Tibet because meat was the only source of protein in the harsh cold winters of Tibet and they neededto eat it in order to survive but now they were in India, he regularly exhorts his followers not to partake of meat as its not a necessity. He himself gave up meat many years ago. Its this mix of pragmatism (Call it the middle path - the way of the Buddha) - alignment of aspiration with reality that our Tibetan friends are displaying when they do business with Chinese goods. The same way that Americans feel that the Chinese are the number one threat to their world domination but stil love to business with China. So also our very own India. It makes business sense. Someone commented that the Chinese police and army suppressing the Tibetan uprising are being paid with the proceeds of the good being sold by Tibetan themselves. If you look at it another way, the profits that Tibetans are raking in from Chinese goods are being used to educate their kids to lead from the front and carry on the task of preserving their culture. Dalai Lama always asks people to turn a negative situation into a positive one. I am not Tibetan but I do admire their leader as his words have always inspired me and their tenacity for survival ... their 'whatever it takes attitute'. We can take a leaf out of them instead of fighting amongst ourselves or taking potshots at Tibetans. Instead reserve your irritation/anger for the WB govt.
(Posted by Rockit, March 19, 2008, 12:54 PM)

Every person with conscience has the right to protest against the tyranny any where in the world... Why do we not react when hard core Muslims protest against India in India... when the Indian army kills some terrorist?? why do we not react when CPI(M) protests against American role in Iraq while happily shooting farmers in Nandigram?? Why do we not react when the Tamils protest against the Srilankan Govt?? Are they more Indian that Darjeelingey Tibetans?? I guess not.... Darjeelingey Tibetans have every right to protest against the atrocities meted out in Tibet... and Suprasa... world over it is not just the people of Tibetan origin who are protesting.. it is the people with conscience.... DO take some time to see how people across the world are protesting this outrage... even the Dutch Prime Minister spoke out against the ethnic cleansing in Tibet.. does it mean he should be kicked out of Netherlands? as according to you.. he may have "no right to fight for other issues..."..... As for Tibetans selling Chinese goods.. it's simple.. it's called the economics of needs... If the Darjeelingey Tibetans don't sell Chinese made goods.. then Probably.. Biharis.. Marwaris and even Islampuris would sell it.. and we would happily buy it as it's so freaking cheap... Please don't grudge someone's means of survival... Not every Darjeelingey of Tibetan origin is born into luxury.. they have toilled their hardest to reach the economic status that they have reached... How many of other Darjeelingeys will wake up at 4 O' clock in the morning.. take their small sell ables to Ghoom/Batasey... sell it by 7.. come back home and go to school?? Not many and no one has the right to judge or carry a grudge against those who toil hard to make their lives better.... Moreover, I'd happily live with "outsiders" who live their lives in Darjeeling, for Darjeeling and love Darjeeling.. instead of living with those "Insiders" who make sure to go back to their "Deshuwa to buy Khetuwa.." every year... from the money they have made in Darjeeling.... Nothing is more humiliating than being without a country of your own... When some one calls the Darjeelingey Nepali an "outsider.. or foreigner.." how do we all feel?? It's the same with Darjeelingey Tibetans... they are as insiders as we are and they have every right to protest against the atrocities meted out to people of their origin anywhere in the world... Just because the Darjeelingey Nepalis did nothing.. to protest when Nepalis in Assam or any other part of North-East India were being driven out of their homes... when Bhutan indulged in selective cleansing of Nepalis... does not mean that other Darjeelingeys must remain quite too...
(Posted by Upendra, March 19, 2008, 12:51 PM)

Here we go communal again.Have anyone seen them in any of the GKMM rallies? Would they come forward to cry with other NEpali's of Darjeeling for the betterment of Gorkhaland?? I heard myself that some of the Bhoteys Saying "I dont like Nepali's" and Mothers to their children "Dont ever Talk in Nepali". They are arrogant that they dressup the best in darajeeling but please recall for yourselves its the FUND and the Second Hand Clothes that you USE. whatever you guys got a better life here in darjeeling, You all are a Part of Gorkhaland, accept yourselves as GORKHAS.
(Posted by HIMGIR, March 19, 2008, 10:55 AM)

Agree cent percent with you Bahadur and Kalimpong. Dear Tibetan brothers and sisters, will u go back to Tibet? May be then, we could also support them or else they should support us for Gorkhaland. It's interesting to note why the Tibetans were not welcome by Bhutan, Arunachal and Sikkim. Tibetans need to introspect. They were lucky to get ST status from the GOI. They should learn to respect the local people. They are the only refugee community who have got so much of facilities from the Govt. of India and are in govt. jobs.
(Posted by AxomGurkha, March 19, 2008, 10:25 AM)

Whay a beautiful spectrum of lily livered creatures crying and shouting for freedom from the protective cocoon of India and other countries. Nobody's goona lift a finger for you my dear exotic friends of the Last Shangrila.China's all too powerful nad you my friends have contributed to their power by being sellers of their chinese goods. The intelligent among you will fight for the cause of Gorkhaland with us. Because Tibetan Freedom is the greatest MYTH of this 21st century and Gorkhaland the greatest truth.
(Posted by Bahadur, March 18, 2008, 10:09 PM)

Good Luck to you all Tibetan brothers and sisters. Free Tibet! Just a question??? So what happens if you get Tibet back or Free Tibet from Chinese? Will all the Tibetans go back to Tibet from India, USA etc.? Like Jews went to Israel from Europe and the USA. Will those Tibetans who were left behind in Tibet, after free Tibet will those native or local Tibetans really invite all those Tibetans who fled including Dalai Lama during invasion? Just a question! I would suggest that after Free Tibet, Tibet Govt. should start digging underground tube rail-network like in New York and London coz, Tibetans going back to Tibet will need the facilities as they are used to modern ways of life. I would like to see Tibetans trading their products rather than Chinese goods, I am sick of Chinese good influx in our India, making Chinese currency or economy stronger. If we take a refuge in India we start being loyal to that country and not urge them to fight with China for their cause, to be honest my friends this in not our problem, nor our lost battle, we have enough problem in India as it is, poverty, child sex, foreign competition, terrorism, unemployment, etc sounds harsh but they are our real problems. We do prayer you get Free Tibet and all the support are there from India, so after that we expect you to leave, so that our people gets the jobs as they deserve, after all the Indian families invest their money educating their children just to find out that those jobs are given to the refugees. Free Tibet could help us too! This is how we as a two different country or neighbour countries build a mutual understanding and do some buisness in future. Our thoughts will always be with you. Free Tibet!!
(Posted by Kalimpong, March 18, 2008, 6:46 PM)

India along with USA and every other major international political power always had double standards and meanings of democracy... They will declare war against tyrants in countries that have oil.. but will even refrain from commenting on the atrocities meted out to people that are beneficial to them... Be it China or Burma or Darjeeling under Ghishing... Our Government sucks big time and is the greatest hypocritical government in the world.... Free Tibet.. Free Gorkhaland
(Posted by Discuss Maan Parauney Maanchey, March 18, 2008, 8:53 AM)

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